Tuesday, 15 December 2009

The sound

The sound, or acoustics, is a fairly regular topic of conversation when people talk about The Pavilions. Plus with the amount of shows we have at the moment, it's a topic that has come up elsewhere on thisisplymouth. So let's talk about it: why is "the sound so bad at Plymouth Pavilions"?

The first of two points I want to make is that I don't agree with the above statement. You're probably thinking that you'd expect me to say that! Well until a year ago, before I joined the venue, I was probably one of those people that shared the view that the sound quality of the arena is rubbish. It was a view based upon the fact that we've all said it for years, and years ago, whenever I went it wasn't great.

My view today is that the arena CAN sound imperfect. And it CAN sound amazing.

So why was it historically "bad"? In essence, the shape of the room isn't great, and the finishes that were originally put into the space doubled the problem. There were loads of angles and corners for sound waves to ricochet off, which means you get unclean sound and echos all over the place. What's changed? Our technical teams have done their upmost to address this where possible. This hasn't been cheap, and has therefore been a long process. And as anything, there's more we can try. I had a conversation just last week about another investment we can make to dampen the sound from the walls, and it's something we should do, just as soon as finances allow.

To sum up the above, I guess the point is that yes the venue isn't perfect in acoustics, but we do try hard to mitigate that, and I believe we have got to a point where the sound CAN be great.

Which leads me on to my second point: why is it not consistent? I have talked before about the way in which the live arena business operates, in that I don't book the acts direct, but simply hire out the room to a "Promoter" who puts the show together, books the artist, sets the ticket price, and organises the supporting infrastructure, including the lighting, PA (sound), and the guy operating the sound. So every time you come to a gig, it's a completely different sound system, and a completely different person operating it. The speakers have probably never been in the venue before, and on one night shows there is simply no opportunity to play about with the sound and get it right. The roadie will try during the day, but that's when the huge room is empty, which in itself makes a room sound totally different. It's a problem that exists across all venues that host one night shows. We do work with the touring sound technicians to advise on the types of sound settings that work best, but we don't always get there, and they don't always listen.

Last weekend I went to Them Crooked Vultures, and Jools Holland. The first one, in my opinion could have been better sound wise. The second one, just one night later, in my opinion could not have been better sound wise. I believe that these days we get far more of the latter than we used to, and we strive to get to a point where our reputation is no longer based upon the past.

9 comments:

  1. Best thing I ever heard in there was Elvis Costello in 1999, it sounded perfect.

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  2. The worst recent sound I heard was from the support to Lily Allen - the bass thump was so bad you could feel it straight through your rib cage...

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  3. The worst I've heard there was Motorhead, which was awful. The best was Australian Pink Floyd, who I will be seeing again next year. The sound quality was amazing.

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  4. You could spend many thousands of pounds and still have a problem with sound as I think you will find that the sound engineer and technical team are the most important thing to make a great sound in room. And yes a sound engineer that takes notes of what other people hear too is a major bonus. maybe you should add that to the contract!!

    Also the sound, sounds different depending where you are sitting/standing. Never get too close to the speakers for a start, aim for the centre

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  5. Dio had a great sound in there last year, Brit Row did the sound, they put a top line system in with muliple hangs which were well directed & the bottom end wasn't (as is often the case these days)out of control so you could still hear & differenciate between the Kick, Bass & toms.
    Them Crooked Vultures didn't have as good a system for the room. though it was still Brit Row providing it. In my opinion the mix got worse (more bassy, muddy & unintelligible) as there set went on to the point I wasn't enjoying it any more & left, The same resources wern't put in & it showed.

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  6. It's refreshing to read that somebody is at least thinking about this issue. As a Plymouth based but internationally touring sound engineer, the amount of grief that the Pavilions gets on the circuit is a bit depressing, and it would be great to know that it was somewhere that engineers (not ROADIES thank you Gavin) and bands enjoyed playing because it sounds good.
    I would plead that if changes are to be made to the acoustics of the arena, that consultations are had with people that know, and that potentially expensive guesses are not made with minimal results.
    Here's to a great sounding Pavilions and see you on Chris Rea.

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  7. I agree with Simon on this. Gavin you have the best resource available in finding a solution for this issue which is a steady flow of touring professionals working at the Pavilions. So you say ‘Jools’ sounded great, did anyone talk to the engineer? What did he do that the engineer for 'Them Crooked Vultures didn't'? If you have good and frank dialogue with touring engineers and perhaps a working party (and I am volunteering Simon as chair here!) of people who know what they are talking about the Pavilions can (a) find a solution that will place the venue where it should be as the best arena gig in the SW and (b) send a very clear message to the doubters that Plymouth and it’s leading gig venue is very serious about this issue.

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  8. too much volume (eg. as in Motorhead) and it will be baad. best sound i've heard in pavilions was recent rat pack tour show.. sound was great not so convinced by the show mind you!so key is to keep it under control and don't tweak to death as the gig progresses.

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  9. hi Gavin i would just like to commnt on your above statement.You say it can be amazing sometimes and not so others,but surely it would be in your intrest to make great everytime.a bit like eating out and its good one time then rubbish the next you are highly unlikely to go back a third.as a student at deepbluesound i would highly recommend consultation with them as they teach such issues in running and setting up room acoustics.as simon honywill is a respected and deeply knowledged engineer surely it would be great to get someone involved like him or deepblue to sort this out.

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